Two Philosophies- or Why People Say I think too Much.

I have been waiting a long while for this clip to be posted on.

It's one of the most philosophically significant moments in the film.

What the Joker expresses is a view of humanity that reminded me of Sigmund Freud.
Freud believed that when people were put in a desperate situation the masks they
wear would come off and the face's underneath would all be identical. They would collapse into a brutal state.

A Dr. Victor Frankel was a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps.
And he witnessed people in a desperate environment and the mask's
did indeed come off. But he reported that the faces were all different.
Some folks who were some nice regular people before entering the camps
turned into "pigs" and others who were pigs behaved like saints.

And it's these two views that are represented in the film.
One character it doing what he can to bring about "chaos". and the other
has the goal of providing the peoples with a vision of hope to inspire them
into not being afraid.
Remember the last words of the father to the son in "Bat Man Begins"? "Don't be afraid."


I transcribed a short section from the dialogue.
And though I disagree with his vision of humanity I do agree with
his observation about "plans". When SOME things go wrong, people
are more likely to panic if it is outside there usual routine.
But when "a truck load of solders gets killed", few seem to get that upset.

As evidence for this opinion I have posted another vid from something
most of us are exposed to every day.
What do you think the "plans" of the two apposing views have?


" Do I really look like a guy with a plan?
Do you know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars.
I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it..
No, I just do things.
The mobs got plans, the cops got plans, Gordon's got plans.
Ya know: there scheemers. Scheemers trying to control
there little worlds. I'm not a scheemer.
I try to show the scheemers how pathetic there attempts
to controll things really are....

It's the scheemers who put you where you are.
I took your little plans and turned it on itself.
Look what I've done with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets.

You know what noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan.
Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press like a gang banger or a truck load of solders get blown up no body panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, then suddenly every one looses there minds!
Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos.
And and you know the thing about chaos? It's fear."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRG1tWQN6e8


FROM MEDIA CHANNEL DOT ORG
Montel Williams Loses Job after Defending Troops on Fox News
By Daily Kos.
For just over three minutes on Saturday morning, TV talk show host Montel Williams owned the hosts of Fox and Friends. A former Marine and Naval officer, Montel lectured the stunned hosts on the stupidity of spending air time on the death of Heath Ledger, rather than covering the war in Iraq. It was a spectacle rarely seen on live cable television, as Montel exposed and condemned both tabloid "news" shows and much of American culture for what they have each become: shallow and greedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IYyNAXjxS4

Three minutes into this awkward segment on Fox, one host cut off Montel in order to go to a commercial. Montel did not return after the break. Four days later, after 17 years as a television host, Montel lost his job. Variety reported on Wednesday that the Fate of "The Montel Williams Show" was sealed when key Fox-owned stations opted not to renew it for the 2008-09 season.I have no idea whether Montel already knew his show wasn't going to be renewed, and thus felt emboldened to cut loose on the air, or whether his firing was a result of his actions on Saturday. Either way, Montel Williams exhibited courage this week that few in the television industry ever will. And for that, American troops around the world stand with him. We support him not only because he stood up for the troops, but because he did it on Fox News—a station that has done more damage to the U.S. military since 9/11 than any other.Montel Williams is an American patriot. Though he left the military years ago, he has never forgotten "his" troops.
For that we salute and thank you, Montel. Best of luck with whatever you choose to do next.-- by Brandon Friedman
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